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I agree that is a very well put way to percieve things. I did not get mad, or frustrated with you guys going back and forth, that is what these boards are for, and I got good info from both of you guys as well as everyone else. I do believe demographics play a part, if you are constantly dealing with a certain breed of dog with an "attitude problem" then you will percieve all dogs of that breed to respond that way. I just think this is an emotional topic all the way around, whether you are defending them or against them. I have to say Pit Bull owners are much more passionate about thier dogs then other dog breed owners in my own experiences, maybe thats because they feel insecure or defensive out of the gate, I don't know, but like I said before, I thank all of you for your input and look forward to further debates, I am sure this can of worms will be open again...
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I found the site dogsbite.org this evening, and came here to see how you all felt about it. I read all 13 pages of heated discussion. Thank you all in advance, for your input.

Having been called to the scene of a fatal child mauling. I can say the mental image I carry around is something I, to this day, have nightmares about. The shocked expression of the owners who could only say their dog "has never done this before" made me sick. Their baby girl lay in pieces in the yard and that's all they could say?

I have been on 2 calls where I had to do everything humanly possible to get the attacking dog off the other officer. (1 Chow, 1 Pitt). Both officers were medically retired.

My personal responsibility was to not bring large breed dogs with a propensity to bite in the home around my young children, who, when they bite, have a greater potential to kill. LIkewise, we did not get an Italian Greyhound that my wife has begged for, because the chance for it being severely injured, or getting a broken leg, is relatively high with 2 rowdy boys and a baby in home.

This senario had not been addressed in the prior posts. All have either been animal at large in the neighborhood, or person wander into their yard.

My wife just completed a heated debate regarding a person making an inquiry on another message board, who live full time on the road in a camper, of what percentage of campgrounds would NOT accept them if they brought in a pittbull. They made it known right off that they didn't care to hear any lecture, but they loved the breed and wanted to get "a few" as traveling companions. Being we own a small seasonal campground and have ACO knowledge, we believed the information would be appreciated. It wasn't.

The board quickly tried to conclude that "misguided, freaked out campground owners", fueled by the media was to blame for all their restricted liberties. When in fact our insurance dictates what we can and can't allow. Other things are as clearly written, such as NO open campfires in the spaces, and the number of vehicles allowed per space. Our policy states we can not own a dog of any kind, as park owners! We are trying to protect our investment, not be biast.

Several chimed in, "Thanks, we'll just camp at Wal Mart Parking lots, if we aren't welcomed!" (I see future lawsuits here!!!!)

Sorry, this post has become long winded.

The bottom line is the responsibility of the owner, and their unwillingness to at the VERY LEAST provide additional insurance for their liability, if they so choose to travel with animals that may cause this amount of damage.

Instead they try to skirt the law by stating that it is a work animal, not a pet, and would be discrimination if we refused to let them in. (Upon further questioning, they say, "it's a companion for our only child".) That equals a work animal?!?!?!

Being that 99.9% of the customers we see are transient, transitional, migratory, seasonally employed, or have chosen the full time freestyling lifestyle, to arbitrarily believe that taking a large breed into an unfamiliar/ unknown surrounding daily has no risks, seems foolhardy.

Since they didn't want to "hear stories", or rants, it was nice to just give them the dogsbite web site and say, "x amount wont let you in to their park", and "here are some gathered statistics."
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Not alot of people are aware of this website due to it is the only one for pit bull attack victims. I stayed away for over a year until last week I had a student doing a documentary on Pit Bull advocates vs. against...due to my experience with them (owner, attack victim, ACO, pit bull area committee member, etc.) they put her with me (she is also dealing with rescues and general public) I went back on the site and read about 6 fatal attacks in a week in late November bthis year. It was shocking as usual with what I see there. The bottom line is that you can't grab one story and say they are all bad, just like you can't show one picture of a pit with a baby and say they are all good. I applaud you for directing them to it though, I think that site is a huge eye opener for pit owners/potential owners and while some may think that is extreme think back to drivers ed...are we all gonna die in a traffic accident?? no, but you better know what potential may be there and take necessary precautions to prevent it. Like I wrote above, it seems some are overly defensive and won't hear constructive reason no matter what. That's with all things though, just the way people are now a days "if you don't tell me what I want to hear, you must be wrong"
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I admittedly only perused the website, but some of the statistics made me wonder a bit as to how certifiably valid they are. For example:

"33 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2010. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 500 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 67% (22). Pit bulls make up approximately 5% of the total U.S. dog population.2"

I looked up the footnote, which was a statistical engine for animal shelters. What about backyard breeders? I can tell you in the city I work, pit bulls are probably the most popular dog in terms of how many there are. And most people who have pits also tend not to spay/neuter them (in my town, I am not drawing general conclusions across the U.S. with this). Which means many people acquire their pits via backyard breeders and there is no way to track the population. Animal laws are quite lax in Idaho and only are we just now trying to ticket unlicensed dogs here. Therefore, I would have to say I do not fully trust the statistics offered up on this website as a means to damnify a particular breed.
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5 whole %? There must be a TON of shih-tzus in houses, because about 1/3 of our impounded dogs are pit or pit mix, and around of the dogs I see in yards are pit or pit mix.
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5 whole %? There must be a TON of shih-tzus in houses, because about 1/3 of our impounded dogs are pit or pit mix, and around of the dogs I see in yards are pit or pit mix.
Agreed. In fact, that majority of dog bite calls I recieve are the result of some small terrier type dog biting someone rather than a pit. I have a much bigger problem with small dog owners not training or disciplining their dogs compared to pit owners. Granted, most of the dogs on chains here are pits and are VERY poorly socialised (if at all). But my biggest gripe about dog bites is that so many people (non-AC) do not look at the situation and circumstances as a whole before determining the dog as at fault *cough unattended children cough* or jump to unjustified conclusions.
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I don't think small terrier bites are a danger to our communties though, the disfiguring/fatal attacks are the problem this site seems to focus on. In our City Pits lead the bite cases and PDD cases by an astronomical amount...I agree with small dog owners not treating leash laws and behavior issues with importance, but the chihuahua running loose is a non issue when you have 26 calls in your area alone and 3 are loose aggressive pit bull(s) calls and 2 are for Pit Bulls killing the nieghbors dog and the rest are complaints for loose pits, neglected pits. Out of our thousands of calls a month 86% are Pit Bull related...That's a problem. I am a huge advocate for responsible Pit Bull ownership, the problem is figuring out how to prevent them from being owned by idiots, in my experience this is nearly impossible if not completely impossible. I have one of my close friends who I grew up with, he hears what I tell him. Right now he has three crappy pit bulls in a rental all are unaltered and from the same litter...oh wait for it, they have two litters right now for the second time. He sells them for $350 bucks a pop, think he will ever stop breeding?? I bet not, not matter how much I "educate" him.
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