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I could not agree more with 2642. I am currently working on a taser proposal and hope to be carrying one in early 2012 for my own safety. As an officer on the "non-profit" side of the picture, firearms are approved via ordinance; however, my department cannot afford an insurance policy. Actually, we were told our provider would probably drop us.
Needless to say, I am a firm believer that not 1 tool can save you in every situation and that is why I get frustrated in talking with other department heads throughout our state that are content with the fact that they pack a can of citronella spray. Good luck with that one buddy.
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Old 12-22-2011
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Look at the JPX Jet Protector its on You Tube $300 Way better then Taser cheaper works 30-45 Minutes works great on Dogs and humans
if you wanna know where to buy it i can post a link. I LOVE mine
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Look at the JPX Jet Protector its on You Tube $300 Way better then Taser cheaper works 30-45 Minutes works great on Dogs and humans
if you wanna know where to buy it i can post a link. I LOVE mine
Too bad that's considered a firearm in California, that is, if it still uses an explosive force to propel the pepper spray, not to mention, even if it is ok'd, there are some weird pepper spray laws here for non peace officers, where you can only use an aerosol propellant in pepper spray.

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Old 12-22-2011
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its just a stream of OC at 405 MPH
i didnt know bout the Pepper Laws in Cali cause when i carried Pepper in Cali i was a LA County Police Officer
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its just a stream of OC at 405 MPH
i didnt know bout the Pepper Laws in Cali cause when i carried Pepper in Cali i was a LA County Police Officer
For those in California, here are the "tear gas" laws.

PC12403
Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit any person who is a
peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section
830) of Title 3 of Part 2, from purchasing, possessing, transporting,
or using any tear gas or tear gas weapon if the person has
satisfactorily completed a course of instruction approved by the
Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the use of tear
gas.

Since ACO's aren't peace officers under 830, this section does not apply, hence they "appear" to be limited to the types of "tear gas" everyone can use, see below:

PC12403.7
(e) (1) No person shall purchase, possess, or use any tear gas
weapon that expels a projectile, or that expels the tear gas by any
method other than an aerosol spray, or that contains more than 2.5
ounces net weight of aerosol spray.

If the "tear gas" is expelled by any other means, other then aerosol, it's not legal to use. I remember reading that the JPX projector uses some sort of explosive force or that to propel the pepper spray, hence, I don't think its legal for use by non peace officers here. If that is the case, it using an explosive force, and propels a projectile (can a liquid be a projectile? I think so, your results may vary...) then its also a firearm here in California.

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Old 12-23-2011
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For those in California, here are the "tear gas" laws.

PC12403
Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit any person who is a
peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section
830) of Title 3 of Part 2, from purchasing, possessing, transporting,
or using any tear gas or tear gas weapon if the person has
satisfactorily completed a course of instruction approved by the
Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the use of tear
gas.

Since ACO's aren't peace officers under 830, this section does not apply, hence they "appear" to be limited to the types of "tear gas" everyone can use, see below:

PC12403.7
(e) (1) No person shall purchase, possess, or use any tear gas
weapon that expels a projectile, or that expels the tear gas by any
method other than an aerosol spray, or that contains more than 2.5
ounces net weight of aerosol spray.

If the "tear gas" is expelled by any other means, other then aerosol, it's not legal to use. I remember reading that the JPX projector uses some sort of explosive force or that to propel the pepper spray, hence, I don't think its legal for use by non peace officers here. If that is the case, it using an explosive force, and propels a projectile (can a liquid be a projectile? I think so, your results may vary...) then its also a firearm here in California.

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But "tear gas" should be defined somewhere in the statute. OC is not tear gas.
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But "tear gas" should be defined somewhere in the statute. OC is not tear gas.
Those are only the most interesting sections for ACOs out here, tear gas is defined and in California, pepper spray is tear gas.

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And this surprises you how?

I sent my people to bite stick/OC class, where they played with the JPX Jet Protector. They really liked it, but since they did not take a hit of OC the department wouldn't allow them to carry OC, so we ended up using citronella. I have used both in the field, and I am comfortable with the citronella. The reaction of the dog is less pronounced, but it stopped them all the same.

One advantage of the citronella is the smell. Both of my officers have problems acciendtal discharges. I don't know how they manage it, the cans have safety locks and the cases have snap down flaps over the can, but one of them emtied a can inside the truck one day. With a can of OC we would have had to taken the truck out and burned it, but citronella smells like furniture polish, so it was no big deal.
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We do, we also carry a pepperball SA-4 which is classified as a firearm and can only be carried by Law Enforcement/Military...no civilians. Naturally we have all the other toys as well. Except the Taser...HSUS really boned us on that one haha but our "citizens advisory committee" is bringing it back up for review as one of the members went on a ride a long and was in fear for his safety LOL
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