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I don't but you may want to clarify whether you mean on or off duty or both. I know some of our brother and sister ACO's in places like Arizona, for example, can't carry on duty per department policy but can carry off duty per state law.
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In my old AO Back North - I was fully certified. Powers of arrest, Firearms etc etc. I carried on duty and off duty...

Here - we are not certified (Yet) and carry OC Spray and Baton. We are working on Tasers at the moment. I still carry off duty everyday.....
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That will be a state by state, department by department issue. In Texas, we have a concealed handgun license available, but it is so restrictive about where a person can or cannot carry with one that it is really not practical for an ACO in an urban/suburban area. Also, at every city I have ever had any dealings with, it is immediate termination for a non-police officer to get caught with a handgun on city property or in a city vehicle.

Also, the only way in Texas to have an exposed pistol in a holster is to be a licensed peace officer or a certified security officer. The job description of a certified security officer is laid out in the Administrative Code, and there is no way to twist it around to fit ACO, so the only choice is to send folks to the police academy and get them certified as a peace officer, but there ain’t no way they are going to go to that trouble for somebody specifically assigned to animal control. The few armed ACOs I have ever met are usually police officers with animal control as a secondary duty assignment.

There is a special deputy certification that a county sheriff can bestow on a person that would allow them to carry a handgun, but that means that sheriff also assumes liability for whatever that person does with that handgun, so they don’t just hand them out to anybody.
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It's completely dependant on your state and agency. I'm very lucky that my agency determined that I should be armed, but that is not the norm.

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I don't but you may want to clarify whether you mean on or off duty or both. I know some of our brother and sister ACO's in places like Arizona, for example, can't carry on duty per department policy but can carry off duty per state law.
What Caninelaw said. I'm not allowed to carry on duty for protection but off duty I can carry open or concealed without any training or permits. Arizona is weird that way. The people I deal with everyday can carry a gun (and most are crazy due to the sun and heat frying our brains) and are stupid enough to point it at me over an animal but heaven forbid a dog catcher be allowed to carry on duty.

We have no idea what we are doing after all. I mean what do dog catchers know about the law and guns? Sorry, I'm bitter in regards to just how backwards this state is. Mall cops are armed here but I'm not? Really Jan Brewer? It is actually a state law that ACO's cannot be armed for protection.

Whatever. No point in continually getting mad about it. I do carry off duty. I always have a baton, gun or knife. I prefer my baton because it is both less then lethal and lethal as well really easy to conceal. On duty I have all the tools cops do minus the gun. Taser, baton, OC and knifes.


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I have often thought about getting my CHL because I have almost $1,000 wrapped up in my .45 so I might as well be able to carry it around should I decide I want to. However, in my 50 years on planet earth I have never come on the situation where I felt the need or desire to be armed during my off duty hours.

On duty is a different story. After Bobby Evans was shot I got really paranoid. If I were on the street and a car pulled up beside me I often wondered if they had a question or were taking aim. Bobby was shot because the drug dealers had their paraphernalia stashed near his shelter which was out in the middle of nowhere (like most shelters), and I often had to go places like abandon houses after stray dogs, or out in the middle of nowhere to release trapped wildlife.

We looked at getting me a CHL so I could carry on duty, but the law won’t allow a person to carry with a CHL on school property, at a church, in a nursing home or in court, and I was at one of those places almost every day, so it wouldn’t work.
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I have often thought about getting my CHL because I have almost $1,000 wrapped up in my .45 so I might as well be able to carry it around should I decide I want to. However, in my 50 years on planet earth I have never come on the situation where I felt the need or desire to be armed during my off duty hours.
my concern is the people I deal with everyday at work coming after me off duty. We have had three police officers and one code enforcement officer stocked by two different families of nut jobs. They followed all of the them home, got there addresses and even asked their neighbors about them. The code officer found a drivers license of one of the guys in his driveway. They must have dropped it when they where checking his house out. The guy who dropped his ID also hates animal control. We have had to deal with him several times.

There is also the fact that everyone and their mother carries in Arizona. We just had a road rage incident where one guy was shot and killed. Arizona is the wild west on meth.

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There have been similar circumstances around here. Back when the republic of Texas was really strong, we had one of them in town causing trouble all the time. He would vandalize city property, throw roofing nails in the city parking lots, make an a** of himself at council meetings and get escorted out, and somebody (probably him) vandalized my car in the PD parking lot one day. He also ran license plates in the city parking lots and found everybody’s home addresses. But all of his crimes were property crimes, not assaults, so I was never concerned for my personal safety.

I removed the dogs from a house after a drug raid once, and then ran into the drug dealer at Wal-Mart a few days later. I was a bit nervous, but all he wanted to do was make fun of the tact teams balaclavas because he had been handled so many time he recognized all of their voices.

However, my Chief at that time was really relieved when I went from the button down shirt with patches and a badge to the polo shirt because I rode a motorcycle to and from work, and she was afraid I was going to get nailed on the way to or from by somebody targeting cops.
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how many acos carry a pistol on them for protection
I have in my vehicle while on duty a Glock 22 40S&W kept in a lock box and a brand new Remington 870 police magnum shotgun.
While they aren't specifically for protection; should the need ever arise, I'd rather be judged by 12 honest men then carried by 6.
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